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	<title>Comments on: What does the Bible say about homosexuality?</title>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.dignoscentia.com/2002/06/01/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality/#comment-8222</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a lesbian and I am hearing different views on "homosexuality"....my though about all this is that if you really are a chrisitan you would love a person no matter who or what they are. I didn't choose to be this way...I JUST AM. I can't help it.....i think it has every right to do with genetics. And we need to take in the gay people and put them into the sam category as heteorsexual people.....gay people need the other sexuality. be a chrsitian and dont oppose.....pretty soon society is going to be split up....homosexual people and heteorsexual people...we don't want that.....be a chrisitan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a lesbian and I am hearing different views on &#8220;homosexuality&#8221;&#8230;.my though about all this is that if you really are a chrisitan you would love a person no matter who or what they are. I didn&#8217;t choose to be this way&#8230;I JUST AM. I can&#8217;t help it&#8230;..i think it has every right to do with genetics. And we need to take in the gay people and put them into the sam category as heteorsexual people&#8230;..gay people need the other sexuality. be a chrsitian and dont oppose&#8230;..pretty soon society is going to be split up&#8230;.homosexual people and heteorsexual people&#8230;we don&#8217;t want that&#8230;..be a chrisitan.</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul</title>
		<link>http://www.dignoscentia.com/2002/06/01/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality/#comment-8193</link>
		<dc:creator>Raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;This is a response to Amanda's comments. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Amanda, the Bible does say what's wrong with homosexuality. The passages I quoted from Leviticus and Romans make that clear. Read them again to find out. In a more general way, the passages from Corinthians, Timothy and Jude classify homosexuality together with other sins that God will not accept. 

Biblically speaking, there is no doubt about it unless you choose to veil your eyes or read with a bias against these certain passages. I know it's hard to take in today's society, where people strive to get just about any behavior or belief accepted as normal, but that's the way the Bible looks at it. 

I think where people get confused, and where I used to get confused, is in not being able to realize that what applies in a religious context doesn't apply in a civic context. As a Christian, you can believe homosexuality is wrong, like the Bible says, but as a citizen of a democratic country, you also have to make sure everyone has equal rights under the law. That means not discriminating against certain groups of people if they obey civic law and are good citizens. It comes back to the principle of separation of church and state. 

As for Jesus accepting homosexuality, I look at it in the same way that He looked at the adulterous woman that the Pharisees wanted to stone. He accepted her, saved her from certain death, but told her to sin no more. Have a look at John 8:1-11. 

As for homosexuals being one of society's condemned groups, I disagree with you on that. I think they're pretty much on equal footing nowadays, and in some aspects, have rights that go beyond those of others. They have a strong lobbying arm and are constantly trying to introduce laws that set them apart as a special group with more rights. From a civic standpoint, that bothers me. It goes without saying that it bothers me from a religious standpoint as well. If you think they're a condemned group, then go and attend a gay pride parade or some sort of gay event. I think it'll change your mind. Any people that are allowed to do what they're doing in public is not a condemned group. Others would be arrested for indecent exposure or worse, and yet they keep on doing it right under the eyes of the police. Makes no logical sense to me. 

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;This is a response to Steven's comment.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Steven, I'm sorry to say it, but you have a personal, not a religious bias, against homosexuality. As Christians, we should not proscribe, we should ascribe. There's a big difference. One advantage of ascribing is that our beliefs become more attractive and approachable to a larger group of people. We should point people to salvation, not drive them away. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>This is a response to Amanda&#8217;s comments. </em></strong></p>
<p>Amanda, the Bible does say what&#8217;s wrong with homosexuality. The passages I quoted from Leviticus and Romans make that clear. Read them again to find out. In a more general way, the passages from Corinthians, Timothy and Jude classify homosexuality together with other sins that God will not accept. </p>
<p>Biblically speaking, there is no doubt about it unless you choose to veil your eyes or read with a bias against these certain passages. I know it&#8217;s hard to take in today&#8217;s society, where people strive to get just about any behavior or belief accepted as normal, but that&#8217;s the way the Bible looks at it. </p>
<p>I think where people get confused, and where I used to get confused, is in not being able to realize that what applies in a religious context doesn&#8217;t apply in a civic context. As a Christian, you can believe homosexuality is wrong, like the Bible says, but as a citizen of a democratic country, you also have to make sure everyone has equal rights under the law. That means not discriminating against certain groups of people if they obey civic law and are good citizens. It comes back to the principle of separation of church and state. </p>
<p>As for Jesus accepting homosexuality, I look at it in the same way that He looked at the adulterous woman that the Pharisees wanted to stone. He accepted her, saved her from certain death, but told her to sin no more. Have a look at John 8:1-11. </p>
<p>As for homosexuals being one of society&#8217;s condemned groups, I disagree with you on that. I think they&#8217;re pretty much on equal footing nowadays, and in some aspects, have rights that go beyond those of others. They have a strong lobbying arm and are constantly trying to introduce laws that set them apart as a special group with more rights. From a civic standpoint, that bothers me. It goes without saying that it bothers me from a religious standpoint as well. If you think they&#8217;re a condemned group, then go and attend a gay pride parade or some sort of gay event. I think it&#8217;ll change your mind. Any people that are allowed to do what they&#8217;re doing in public is not a condemned group. Others would be arrested for indecent exposure or worse, and yet they keep on doing it right under the eyes of the police. Makes no logical sense to me. </p>
<p><strong><em>This is a response to Steven&#8217;s comment.</em></strong></p>
<p>Steven, I&#8217;m sorry to say it, but you have a personal, not a religious bias, against homosexuality. As Christians, we should not proscribe, we should ascribe. There&#8217;s a big difference. One advantage of ascribing is that our beliefs become more attractive and approachable to a larger group of people. We should point people to salvation, not drive them away. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Roxanne</title>
		<link>http://www.dignoscentia.com/2002/06/01/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality/#comment-8192</link>
		<dc:creator>Roxanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, I don't normally reply to posts such as yours, but since you seem to be trying to advise someone who doesn't necessarily think the exact way you do, I feel the need.  First off, you said "It is without dispute that 'we' listen to what GOD says." Let me correct you there and say that you should say "I" listen to what GOD says. And to say "it is without dispute" is an untrue statement anyway.  Why do you think there are so many different kinds of religion in the first place? To list a few,  Baha'i, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Vodun (VooDoo), Asatru, Druidism, Wicca, Paganism, Caodaism, Damanhur Community, Druze, Eckankar, Gypsies, Hare Krishna, Ifa, Lukumi, Macumba, Romani, Santeria, Satanism, Scientology, Humanism, Deism, Rajneesh, Thelema...and this list goes on and on.  Just because you believe what the Bible reads, which was actually written by a human being, doesn't (not don't) mean that "we" do. I'm not for or against homosexuals, just like I'm not for or against Christians, Catholics, Buddhist, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Pagans, Satanist, or anyone else who has their own belief.  I believe what I feel is right for ME and I think that someone's religious belief or non religious belief is very personal. And I do believe that religion is a choice just like someones sexuality is a choice. That might make it right or wrong for you, but not necessarily right or wrong for someone else. If you read the Bible and you choose to live by what you have interpreted to be right, then that is what you should do.  But to advise someone else to do what you have decided is right for YOU, without them asking for your guidance seems to me like going against exactly what you want for yourself...the right to believe what YOU feel is true. If you feel secure in what you believe to be true then that's great, but if you question it, does that mean you wouldn't have the right to decide for yourself? You have already decided one way or another. You can't choose not to make a choice, because that itself is a making a choice.  If someone is looking for answers they should ask questions and those questions should be answered with a reasonable explanation, not just "because I said so."  Which by the way, the Bible does give specific answers so maybe you should read it.  One last thing I'd like to add...when referring to God; His, He and Him or any other word referring to God would be capitalized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, I don&#8217;t normally reply to posts such as yours, but since you seem to be trying to advise someone who doesn&#8217;t necessarily think the exact way you do, I feel the need.  First off, you said &#8220;It is without dispute that &#8216;we&#8217; listen to what GOD says.&#8221; Let me correct you there and say that you should say &#8220;I&#8221; listen to what GOD says. And to say &#8220;it is without dispute&#8221; is an untrue statement anyway.  Why do you think there are so many different kinds of religion in the first place? To list a few,  Baha&#8217;i, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Vodun (VooDoo), Asatru, Druidism, Wicca, Paganism, Caodaism, Damanhur Community, Druze, Eckankar, Gypsies, Hare Krishna, Ifa, Lukumi, Macumba, Romani, Santeria, Satanism, Scientology, Humanism, Deism, Rajneesh, Thelema&#8230;and this list goes on and on.  Just because you believe what the Bible reads, which was actually written by a human being, doesn&#8217;t (not don&#8217;t) mean that &#8220;we&#8221; do. I&#8217;m not for or against homosexuals, just like I&#8217;m not for or against Christians, Catholics, Buddhist, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Pagans, Satanist, or anyone else who has their own belief.  I believe what I feel is right for ME and I think that someone&#8217;s religious belief or non religious belief is very personal. And I do believe that religion is a choice just like someones sexuality is a choice. That might make it right or wrong for you, but not necessarily right or wrong for someone else. If you read the Bible and you choose to live by what you have interpreted to be right, then that is what you should do.  But to advise someone else to do what you have decided is right for YOU, without them asking for your guidance seems to me like going against exactly what you want for yourself&#8230;the right to believe what YOU feel is true. If you feel secure in what you believe to be true then that&#8217;s great, but if you question it, does that mean you wouldn&#8217;t have the right to decide for yourself? You have already decided one way or another. You can&#8217;t choose not to make a choice, because that itself is a making a choice.  If someone is looking for answers they should ask questions and those questions should be answered with a reasonable explanation, not just &#8220;because I said so.&#8221;  Which by the way, the Bible does give specific answers so maybe you should read it.  One last thing I&#8217;d like to add&#8230;when referring to God; His, He and Him or any other word referring to God would be capitalized.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://www.dignoscentia.com/2002/06/01/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality/#comment-8167</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact of whether you like it or not Amanda, the bible is clear on the stance of homosexuality.  It is without dispute that we listen to what GOD says, remember JESUS is who he is, then JESUS is GOD he made that claim.  You have to realize that JESUS came to die for all of mankind and be resurrected, but he did not destroy the any commands set forth.  He was against those that judged and never offered any means out of that life by being hypocritical.  You're going on the fact that you say GOD didn't give specific reasons.  That's right he didn't, by how you're saying it is the excuse everybody else uses.  "Well technically the bible didn't specifically, say not too," or "Show me the exact verse".  Those are all reasons to look around the obvious, GOD doesn't want robots I agree but somethings he says goes without exception.

Men and women are GOD's creation, men and women joined under marriage in the sexual and emotional and spiritual is his creation.  Homosexuality is anti-creation, and JESUS did not befriend those people, he forgave and set those people free before they became a friends of GOD.  GOD don't use you in your sin, GOD uses you when you repent are baptized in JESUS name and receive his spirit (HOLY GHOST) inside of you.

I'm not against a person who is homosexual wanting the rights to an extent, but I am when they want the equal rights of a real couple, or civil rights.  Homosexuals are not a race they are a choice.

I believe through scripture that questioning GOD is ok but that don't mean he's gonna change his commands.  I don't think Amanda you're taking their side, and I'm not trying to be harsh.  You just have to be careful where the line of thinking is taking you, it should IRK!! you when someone doesn't do what GOD's natural order of nature is.  It IRKS!! me when I hear people talk about who they slept with of the opposite sex outside of marriage, murder, rape, homosexuality, molestation all that stuff IRKS!! my spirit.  We are through the looking glass now and it's time to tell the Homosexual repent from that lifestyle, separate yourself and get baptize in JESUS name and receive his HOLY GHOST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact of whether you like it or not Amanda, the bible is clear on the stance of homosexuality.  It is without dispute that we listen to what GOD says, remember JESUS is who he is, then JESUS is GOD he made that claim.  You have to realize that JESUS came to die for all of mankind and be resurrected, but he did not destroy the any commands set forth.  He was against those that judged and never offered any means out of that life by being hypocritical.  You&#8217;re going on the fact that you say GOD didn&#8217;t give specific reasons.  That&#8217;s right he didn&#8217;t, by how you&#8217;re saying it is the excuse everybody else uses.  &#8220;Well technically the bible didn&#8217;t specifically, say not too,&#8221; or &#8220;Show me the exact verse&#8221;.  Those are all reasons to look around the obvious, GOD doesn&#8217;t want robots I agree but somethings he says goes without exception.</p>
<p>Men and women are GOD&#8217;s creation, men and women joined under marriage in the sexual and emotional and spiritual is his creation.  Homosexuality is anti-creation, and JESUS did not befriend those people, he forgave and set those people free before they became a friends of GOD.  GOD don&#8217;t use you in your sin, GOD uses you when you repent are baptized in JESUS name and receive his spirit (HOLY GHOST) inside of you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against a person who is homosexual wanting the rights to an extent, but I am when they want the equal rights of a real couple, or civil rights.  Homosexuals are not a race they are a choice.</p>
<p>I believe through scripture that questioning GOD is ok but that don&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s gonna change his commands.  I don&#8217;t think Amanda you&#8217;re taking their side, and I&#8217;m not trying to be harsh.  You just have to be careful where the line of thinking is taking you, it should IRK!! you when someone doesn&#8217;t do what GOD&#8217;s natural order of nature is.  It IRKS!! me when I hear people talk about who they slept with of the opposite sex outside of marriage, murder, rape, homosexuality, molestation all that stuff IRKS!! my spirit.  We are through the looking glass now and it&#8217;s time to tell the Homosexual repent from that lifestyle, separate yourself and get baptize in JESUS name and receive his HOLY GHOST.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.dignoscentia.com/2002/06/01/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality/#comment-8034</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I am not offended. I accept what you are saying.

I'm also a devout christian.

But there are some things I would like to ask, and point out.

Firstly, does the Bible ever actually say what is WRONG with homosexuality? Most of God's commandments are justified, and we are given reasons for them. Others are common sense.

If the Bible told you that all males were evil, and should get a sex change - would you do it? I don't think it's reasonable to accept anything we are told without challenging it. I'm not disputing God's word, I'm saying He gave us opinions, and brains to think with for a reason, maybe we should use them?

Secondly, although Jesus makes no actual mention of homosexual people, he rectifies the problems with other discriminated against groups in society. Jesus went against many things the Old Testament said, one of His key teachings being that everyone should be heard, included and loved. He befriended lepers, whom people regarded as disgusting. He showed us this was not so. He befriended women, whom people classed as inferior, and sinners that no one else would talk to.

If Jesus were to return in a modern day setting, surely one of the first issues He would want to set right (shown by the way he went about things in his own time) would not to be praise all those worthy Christians. He did not praise all those "respectable" pharisees, who worshiped god day and night. He befriended those who society condemned, and in today's day and age, homosexuals would definitely be in this category.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I am not offended. I accept what you are saying.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a devout christian.</p>
<p>But there are some things I would like to ask, and point out.</p>
<p>Firstly, does the Bible ever actually say what is WRONG with homosexuality? Most of God&#8217;s commandments are justified, and we are given reasons for them. Others are common sense.</p>
<p>If the Bible told you that all males were evil, and should get a sex change - would you do it? I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s reasonable to accept anything we are told without challenging it. I&#8217;m not disputing God&#8217;s word, I&#8217;m saying He gave us opinions, and brains to think with for a reason, maybe we should use them?</p>
<p>Secondly, although Jesus makes no actual mention of homosexual people, he rectifies the problems with other discriminated against groups in society. Jesus went against many things the Old Testament said, one of His key teachings being that everyone should be heard, included and loved. He befriended lepers, whom people regarded as disgusting. He showed us this was not so. He befriended women, whom people classed as inferior, and sinners that no one else would talk to.</p>
<p>If Jesus were to return in a modern day setting, surely one of the first issues He would want to set right (shown by the way he went about things in his own time) would not to be praise all those worthy Christians. He did not praise all those &#8220;respectable&#8221; pharisees, who worshiped god day and night. He befriended those who society condemned, and in today&#8217;s day and age, homosexuals would definitely be in this category.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: laurie allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurie allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am very interested in the topic of the lesson. i , both of my sibblings are gay and it really hurts me and i am very confused by the whole thing why would they go that way because they will tell you that they know that it is against God band that they want to get out of it but that they are struggling but my definition of a struggle is when you are putting forth all of the strength and ability that you have to break free like struggling to get free from a person that is doing you harm there is one i was tricked into going to dinner with them and their lovers last night they told me that their lovers would not be going but they did infact go i will never go again i was so unconfortable not from embarassment but from the Holy Spirit litarally tring to pull me up out of the seat where i sat thank you for your biblical insight on homosexuality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am very interested in the topic of the lesson. i , both of my sibblings are gay and it really hurts me and i am very confused by the whole thing why would they go that way because they will tell you that they know that it is against God band that they want to get out of it but that they are struggling but my definition of a struggle is when you are putting forth all of the strength and ability that you have to break free like struggling to get free from a person that is doing you harm there is one i was tricked into going to dinner with them and their lovers last night they told me that their lovers would not be going but they did infact go i will never go again i was so unconfortable not from embarassment but from the Holy Spirit litarally tring to pull me up out of the seat where i sat thank you for your biblical insight on homosexuality</p>
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